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Re: FUTURE STAR location discussion
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2017, 03:18:42 PM »
Good suggestion, the first two things I'd be asking them about are a large enough banquet room, and the daily rate.

Their website says they have a banquet room that will seat 400. Which should work for us, I don't recall the exact number from this year but I believe it was less that 300 attendees.

I just checked room rates for next Sunday thru Thurs and they were $133 a night. I'd think with a large group and booking far in advance we could get a better rate.
You might be able to talk a venue down in price, but have you tried it?

15-20 years ago I was helping with an event in Townsend, TN. We had a small host motel, and I went to the nearest place to that and inquired what room rates would be if we filled their venue (I was pretty sure we'd fill both places). And this was at a place that advertised "family" rates. They didn't seem to care about having a full facility as their group rates for a relatively dead weekend were exactly the same as their standard rates. No discounts...period! I made an effort to contact everyone attending to go anywhere in town but there.
I may just be a bad negotiator, and Dennis V. has done a good job for us. But not everywhere cares whether you stay with them or not.
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Re: FUTURE STAR location discussion
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2017, 03:34:16 PM »

You might be able to talk a venue down in price, but have you tried it?

15-20 years ago I was helping with an event in Townsend, TN. We had a small host motel, and I went to the nearest place to that and inquired what room rates would be if we filled their venue (I was pretty sure we'd fill both places). And this was at a place that advertised "family" rates. They didn't seem to care about having a full facility as their group rates for a relatively dead weekend were exactly the same as their standard rates. No discounts...period! I made an effort to contact everyone attending to go anywhere in town but there.
I may just be a bad negotiator, and Dennis V. has done a good job for us. But not everywhere cares whether you stay with them or not.

No I haven't. I have not a clue what they might offer, but it'd probably be worth asking. I'm not in a position to make inquires for the club, so I'll leave that up to the EC if they feel its worth pursuing.  I also don't have the proper information to have an educated discussion on our needs for STAR, # of rooms needed, space requirements for meetings, etc.
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Re: FUTURE STAR location discussion
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2017, 04:18:44 PM »
Looking for 200+ total rooms

Another thing to keep in mind at a place like this is the capability of the facility to feed so many people at pretty much the same time, and not just for the banquet.  Breakfast time can usually be spread out over a few hours, say 6-9.  But dinner time usually falls within much shorter time period,  if there are not other facilities within walking, or a short ride, distance then the hotel facility has to have the capability on site to meet this demand. I've stayed at Fontana Village before with a motorcycle group,  and this was a problem there.  But it is in many ways a great location for a motorcycle meet.  I happened to be staying there the same time that the East Coast Ducati meet was there (completely by accident) and had a great time hanging out with those guys.  But for a group our size, parking and dining facilities may not be enough.


I like the way this discussion is going.....good to get lots of input and ideas flowing.  Keep them coming.


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Re: FUTURE STAR location discussion
« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2017, 05:52:43 AM »
Fontana is a very nice venue and area. Great roads. I was there many moons ago with the MOA. Some of you might be old enough to remember the the high sheriff of that county. He had no interest in a large group of "our kind". He set up road blocks for searches, had helicopters fly around day and night. It was a hoot. He was summarily voted out of office.
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Re: FUTURE STAR location discussion
« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2017, 04:31:04 PM »
That and the stink down in South Carolina where folks were required to provide an ID for access to a charity ride are the two biggest examples of officials over-reaching their authority (as it relates to motorcycles) that I can remember. I'm sure there are others. All of those motorcycle-only traffic stops on I-95 before and after Daytona fall into the same category but on a much smaller level in my mind.
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Re: FUTURE STAR location discussion
« Reply #65 on: July 20, 2017, 12:48:38 PM »
Fontana is a very nice venue and area. Great roads. I was there many moons ago with the MOA. Some of you might be old enough to remember the the high sheriff of that county. He had no interest in a large group of "our kind". He set up road blocks for searches, had helicopters fly around day and night. It was a hoot. He was summarily voted out of office.

Yes, we were attending Geoffrey's event that weekend and were stopped at a roadblock on the Dragon so they could check our licenses, etc. If I recall correctly, when Moose was stopped, he realized that he had left his wallet and license back at the rally in Maryville (or is it Marysville?)

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Re: FUTURE STAR location discussion
« Reply #66 on: July 21, 2017, 08:19:43 AM »
Fontana is a very nice venue and area. Great roads. I was there many moons ago with the MOA. Some of you might be old enough to remember the the high sheriff of that county. He had no interest in a large group of "our kind". He set up road blocks for searches, had helicopters fly around day and night. It was a hoot. He was summarily voted out of office.

Yes, we were attending Geoffrey's event that weekend and were stopped at a roadblock on the Dragon so they could check our licenses, etc. If I recall correctly, when Moose was stopped, he realized that he had left his wallet and license back at the rally in Maryville (or is it Marysville?)

That' must have been TN-STAR which then morphed into SE-STAR. While we had our Saturday night dinner at a big picnic shelter on the Maryville Greenway a couple of years, the event was actually based in Townsend, TN. Mike Dupuis started the event, but when he got transferred to New Jersey for his work, I had the pleasure of coordinating the event along with John and Patti Swatzell (very nice folks!). Anyone remember them cooking pancakes under the overhang in front of the Big Valley Motel on Sunday morning for the riders as they prepped to head home? They later sold their ST1100, bought a Harley-Davidson, and went a different path in their riding. I kept in touch with them for a while, but have lost contact with them in recent years.

According to my old MapSource program (yeah, I still use it), in the US there are 3 towns called Maryville and 9 called Marysville. Because Maryville is so familiar, I would have guessed it to be the reverse. I learned something today.

To get back on track with this thread, neither Townsend nor Maryville have ANY kind of venue that would be appropriate for STAR. Knoxville has some good sized venues. But while we're only 50 miles from Deal's Gap/The Dragon, 70 miles from the Cherohala Skyway, 120 miles from US421/The Snake, 25 miles from TN116/The Devil's Triangle, 65 miles from the Sneedville area (if you don't know this area, ask me about it some time) and LOTS of other good roads, the best way to get started towards most of those places is a 10-25 mile slog on an interstate or 4-lane highway. And based on the comments I've read from Harry Hemstreet's STAR survey, most people want a venue in the middle of nowhere so they can be on good roads immediately. The Honda Hoot was based in Knoxville for several years, but they seemed to have a higher tolerance of big roads to get started towards the good stuff.

I live on the north side of Knoxville, and when I leave my house, I can turn left and be in heavy civilization within a mile. However, if I turn right, I'm in the country within a mile on a terrific little winding 2-lane road (Cindy thinks we moved here just to be closer to twisty roads...she may be right). And there are plenty of good options from there. Alas, my basement would not be a good home base for STAR.
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Re: FUTURE STAR location discussion
« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2017, 11:03:55 AM »
Ah, that's right, Geoffrey. It was Townsend, TN. We went to several of your events there and yes, we had pancakes on Sunday morning.