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The Bluebook Discussion thread
« on: September 11, 2017, 04:06:57 PM »
for the sharing of ideas and thoughts on the Bluebook.  Please keep all discussion here and out of the poll area.


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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 05:04:40 PM »
1. Provide a printed copy to all members every other year as in the recent past.
2. Provide a PDF version online for easy download.

Done

1. Cuts annual cost in half to < $2 per member per year.
2. Pleases all members, including older members who don't like using computers.
3. Maintains perceived value of club membership.
4. Need to regularly remind members of the information in it in addition to member contact information- Discounts, officers, etc.

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PS: If you are on this forum, you are a computer user, as is everyone else on here. Don't assume everyone else in the club is like you.

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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 05:08:01 PM »
Poll page is public now. OK, but do not vote unless you are an MSTA member!

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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2017, 07:20:18 AM »
I agree with Norm.


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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2017, 08:55:17 AM »
Does this belong in the members only section?

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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2017, 09:04:09 AM »
Does this belong in the members only section?

It was in the Members Only section.  However, we have people that are MSTA members in good standing that have never gotten their access to that area, not realizing that it was something that didn't just automatically come when they gained access to the this forum.  I also hope that after putting an article in the next issue of the STAReview we may have even more members that will go to this forum in order to cast a vote.  I wanted to make it as easy as I could for those new members to find the poll and cast their vote.  We may get a few non members that will access this thread, but since they will probably not know what the Bluebook is, I doubt that many (if any) will be moved to vote.  In any case. I think it's a risk we need to take in the effort to make voting easy for the actual members.
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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2017, 09:31:55 AM »
I doubt if non-members who vote will sway the election, one way or another.  :-)

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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2017, 03:22:06 PM »
I doubt the forum is going to get a flood of members coming here to vote on the Bluebook poll. It seems the vast majority have little interest in this forum.
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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2017, 12:36:52 PM »
Got it. thanks

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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2017, 12:52:12 PM »
1. Provide a printed copy to all members every other year as in the recent past.
2. Provide a PDF version online for easy download.

Done

1. Cuts annual cost in half to < $2 per member per year.
2. Pleases all members, including older members who don't like using computers.
3. Maintains perceived value of club membership.
4. Need to regularly remind members of the information in it in addition to member contact information- Discounts, officers, etc.

Norm Kern

PS: If you are on this forum, you are a computer user, as is everyone else on here. Don't assume everyone else in the club is like you.
I agree on the plan and that it satisfies the basic needs of most members. I'm puzzled regarding the PS, what does that relate to.

Regarding the online version of the Blue Book, would that be published just once a year like it is for printing? Or would it be kept up to date regularly?  I know that depends a lot on the method used to create the PDF/print copy info, if it can be kept up to date (quarterly maybe) it would be nice if we knew that so we could load an updated copy.

As for having the PDF on a device, I've enjoyed that and while I'm a techy in some ways (use computers, my job is writing software) I'm a newb with smart phones and was surprised how well it worked, even put the PDF on a home page screen so it is easier to find when I need it. I'd be willing to help people with some of that techy stuff if they find me at an event, not phone support :) 
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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2017, 04:39:04 PM »
Rich,

Not being negative or anything, just pointing out that any online poll is going to exclude all the members who who don't regularly use computers. Those members are precisely the ones most likely to want the Blue Book in traditional form. That makes any online poll on this particular subject inherently skewed.

Although I didn't explain in the above post, my recommendation is simply the overwhelming majority hand vote of the roughly 100 members attending the Bull Shoals rally where I asked for a show of hands on all the Blue Book choices in the latest survey. Of course this result is skewed toward those who are active participants and loyal rally attendees. The support for the printed edition was very clear!

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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2017, 05:38:30 PM »
It seems that the printed Blue Book is wildly popular compared to the STAReview which only stirs ho-hum enthusiasm.   

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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2017, 01:57:27 PM »
Rich,

Not being negative or anything, just pointing out that any online poll is going to exclude all the members who who don't regularly use computers. Those members are precisely the ones most likely to want the Blue Book in traditional form. That makes any online poll on this particular subject inherently skewed.

Although I didn't explain in the above post, my recommendation is simply the overwhelming majority hand vote of the roughly 100 members attending the Bull Shoals rally where I asked for a show of hands on all the Blue Book choices in the latest survey. Of course this result is skewed toward those who are active participants and loyal rally attendees. The support for the printed edition was very clear!

Norm
Norm,

Not to nitpick but I'm Steve (Grabowski) not Rich (my brother the 2016 raffle bike winner). Ever since he won the bike it seems I've had a few people confusing me with him, before that nobody even knew me ;)  Our screen names are similar and end in Grab, so I understand the confusion.

Agree about those without computers being more inclined to want the paper blue book, they probably also want the paper STAReview. I used to feel that way too, but recently I was trying to locate a member (wasn't sure of name / location) and found using the PDF and the search that is built into the viewer was very useful (would not have tried scanning the pages).
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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2017, 02:18:46 PM »
Not to nitpick but I'm Steve (Grabowski) not Rich (my brother the 2016 raffle bike winner). Ever since he won the bike it seems I've had a few people confusing me with him, before that nobody even knew me ;)  Our screen names are similar and end in Grab, so I understand the confusion.

Of course, I just think of you as the brother who jumps up and down and shouts less.   ;D

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Re: The Bluebook Discussion thread
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2017, 05:05:33 PM »
Not to nitpick but I'm Steve (Grabowski) not Rich (my brother the 2016 raffle bike winner). Ever since he won the bike it seems I've had a few people confusing me with him, before that nobody even knew me ;)  Our screen names are similar and end in Grab, so I understand the confusion.

Of course, I just think of you as the brother who jumps up and down and shouts less.   ;D


Thanks for pointing out our differences Bryan.  :trink39: :clap: 8)
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