Post by: Richardrka on March 19, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
I have been quite because I thought the world was orbiting in the correct direction.
BUT today I got a lashing from a MSTA and BMWMOA member that is smarter than me …. Who knew? 😉
The 30K is the future. The 30K is not perfect, The 30K is not for everyone. The 30K is more for groups and very easy to setup with new riders. (Remember this part when you go on your next group ride.)
I am riding my R1200RT to La Crosse from Windsor CA. I will be alone or with one other rider. I/we do not need the 30K nor is there an advantage. 4 – 5 riders NOW it takes advantage of the MESH Technology
I am going to give part of my upcoming seminar away as I do not want folks to be afraid to purchase the 30K or to think it is trash as some have said.
This same wave of upset riders arose when the SMH10 was replaced by the 20S
BUT let’s go back further remember CB radio? Remember FRS radios? FRS appeared in 1996 an no one said why can’t they talk to a CB. It was a DIFFERENT THING. When Bluetooth came into the lime light it was different and could not talk to CB or FRS radio. Everyone seemed to accept that.
BUT when SENA tries to HELP make the transition easier by putting 10S technology under the 30K people started throwing knives ☹.
SENA WILL have firmware updates and fix some of the issue real soon maybe even before STAR
This is kinda privet information at this time BUT again do not want a panic.
This is from my Distributor 10 minutes ago … “I am sure once they enable the audio multi tasking in Bluetooth mode for the 30K then it will work the same as the 20S”. That was a when not an if!
So my new found friend “Phil” is upset at a lot of things blowing some pretty hot smoke and he is correct in what he says BUT he has no patients and needs to chill a little.
The iPhone X had a battery issue. I purchased one, I did not send it back I did not complain, and Apple did a firmware update to fix it.
The deal RKA is offering goes through the 15th of April. Take advantage of a nice deal WITH support.
I will also be doing installs for RKA customers at the rally.
Do not listen to the voice behind the curtain. I am looking forward to my seminars and it will explain a lot and make MESH understandable to you
If you own an electric car YOU are the pioneer and the others have to catch up to YOU.
When you purchase the 30K YOU are the future of motorcycle communication and the others have to catch up to you. BE the future, BE the pioneer.
SEE YA!
Richard
RKA
707 836 7659
Post by: Richardrka on March 20, 2018, 06:59:28 AM
RKA will be more than happy to offer the SAME discount deal we are currently offering, on ANY SENA communications products. Think the 20S is the cat’s meow? …. We got them. 😉
Kathy and I want you to know we are USERS of the “other “products we offer, we do not sell just “stuff” and we personally think the 30K is the future, they are working fine for us, we are sure whatever issues that come up will be solved. We support this product.
Kathy and I are not only resellers of a few other products we like but remember the RKA base ..
We design and manufacture the most beautiful, functional, LUGGAGE in the world. We will offer a nice deal on that also.
With that said let me focus on my personal mission.
I am leaving the big rig at home, riding my BMWR1200RT across America (Kinda my 71st year walkabout) to enjoy the MSTA STARR event. I am STILL trying to get Kathy to ride with me although the BMW F800R is not the best touring motorcycle 😉. She seems to be cracking a little …. Let’s hear it from you …. 😊
I am looking forward to having a drink with all our OLD friends and meeting NEW ones while there.
RKA is 33 years old now and if not for groups like the Sabre, HSTA, MSTA we would not be here.
MY MISSION is to have a great time with you guys & gals.
See ya all in La Crosse.
Post by: normkern on March 20, 2018, 03:22:19 PM
A2DP/GPS audio works great.
BUT
They don't work well AT THE SAME TIME.
Norm Kern
Post by: Richardrka on March 21, 2018, 02:13:03 PM
The 30K is setting on top of a 10S think about it.
We will drink beer in June :trink39:
Post by: normkern on March 22, 2018, 06:17:48 PM
Multitasking might work for me after all. Got more testing to do!
Norm Kern
Post by: R1200GS on April 17, 2018, 09:02:25 AM
Went on a ride with four other riders using 20s's last Friday. Have been using the 20s for several years but not bike to bike. I used a Motorola BT GMRS which is totally reliable and has more range and power than ANY BT unit. So it is PTT. Works for the military pretty well. Zero pairing time. Doesn't drop out, period. IF and that is a great big IF the 20s would work as advertised I would use it. Pairing isn't that bad but having a snare drum beating in your ear if you intercom with three or more riders is NOT acceptable.. Group Intercomm has so many issues it is not worth using. Having Sena, who created the problem giving you only one solution, buying a 30K is NOT acceptable. Last but not least, look at the reviews of the 30K at Revzilla and Amazon. 34% of 30K purchasers rate it as ONE STAR. These are primarily previous 20s users. Revzilla only had 14 reviews but when you read them far too many wished they would have stuck with the 20s.
At this point in time I have no faith in Sena actually fixing anything. Maybe after a year or two of guinea pigs forcing them to make them make their claims become reality I might try one, but not right now.
Post by: R1200GS on April 18, 2018, 09:17:37 AM
Post by: Richardrka on April 19, 2018, 06:49:30 PM
Well the death star is at it again 😊 Hi Norm, Jeff. 😉
Here’s the deal “some of the things Norm is saying are true” but “most of it is not”.
They can do their tests and I can do mine and we can all dance around the tree 😉 (Notice please I am keeping a happy face.)
1: I tried to explain to them that the SM10 is not the correct knife for the fight. JUST for them I posted TWO videos one on the SM10 (https://youtu.be/ysYYevHsawM), what it is made for, and what capabilities it has, and a second video on connections (https://youtu.be/0hOwq92jysM) … BOTH very short.
2: Somehow missed in all this rhetoric was the fact I have been saying the 30K is not for everyone.
3: The 30K gives you NO ADVANTAGE at all unless you have 3 or more riders it IS for groups of 3 to 16. The MESH NETWORK kicks in when the third, forth, and fifth etc. rider joins, Then the MESH nodes come into play. AND also the ease of connecting private groups and public groups notice the word “groups” 😉 My Seminar at STAR will cover MESH in a way everyone can understand it.
4: I just took my iPhone X, Navigator VI, and SM10 and connected them one at a time to test what Norm said. Sorry to say Norm is wrong. The Audio-Multitasking works fine with the 30K in MESH MODE.
NEW SUBJECT ….. PLEASE 😊
With this all said RKA has most colors and sizes of the SENA Momentum Standard helmet (https://youtu.be/H0iJ2kkdCd4) ($449.00) in Stock ready to ship.
RKA is also taking per-orders on the SENA Momentum INC (Intelligent Noise Canceling) helmet (https://youtu.be/Q8WcK_9vF30) ($549.00) using the 20S technology.
Of course we have a nice deal for MSTA members.
If you are interested in this new product call or email me.
Richard
RKA
707 836 7659
richard@rka-luggage.com
Post by: Richardrka on April 20, 2018, 10:48:36 AM
Connect your Bluetooth headset to your PHONE, Connect to your friends DONE!
Yes there are more things to connect to if you want CALL ME for the CORRECT path.😉
My RT is connected to the BMW Module, Nav VI, Phone to Nav VI, SR10 for CB and radar, Remote Control on handlebars, and a PRISM camera. There is no Death Star attacking here.
I am afraid the “Death-Star” is going to scare everyone away from ANY communications system.
I am not going to go into my credentials, but I did stay at a “Holiday Inn Express (https://youtu.be/8dOHEw8izno)” the other night.
Hold this thought ….
A CB radio cannot talk to a FRS radio or vis a versa.
A CB, FRS, or Bluetooth unit cannot talk to each other.
When SENA introduced the 30K they coulda said … 30K to 30K deal with it .. BUT they did not.
A 30K CAN talk to a Bluetooth headset .. With a small concession that’s been there with 10S, 10U, 10C 10R, all along. (The SENA 30K MESH technology is setting on top of a 10S and is a FEATURE)
I want to explain what this issue is all about in as few words as possible. It focuses on Audio-Multitasking. So, what is that?
[size=0pt]Audio Multitasking allows you to have an intercom conversation while simultaneously listening to music, FM radio, or GPS instructions. The overlaid audio is played in the background with reduced volume whenever there is an intercom conversation and will return to normal volume once the conversation is finished.[/size]
This function works with ONLY the SENA 20S all the time and the SENA 30K when in MESH MODE.
This function did not and does not work if you have a 10S, 10U, 10C 10R.
The SENA 30K’s Bluetooth side is based on a 10 series NO audio multitasking.
(PLEASE HOLD THIS THOUGHT)
So what does THAT mean? If you want to speak to another rider or passenger, you have to tap in and tap out. When you do, the nav and music goes away until you tab out.
(THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS AND IS if you do not have a 20S!!)
This is explained most notably when a THIRD rider is involved.
Third rider with 30K’s in MESH MODE, GREAT! YOU ARE CONNECTED. Audio multitasking works
Third rider with a 20S or less would be connected via Bluetooth. (remember the 30K is now a 10 series in Bluetooth mode) NOW Audio multitasking does not work for anybody.
My take on this is the 30K being able to even connect to a Bluetooth unit is a FEATURE not the Death Star
Lastly I am 100% sure SENA will fix this Audio Multitasking glitch with a firmware update.
Maybe the 30K is not for you but if you purchase it you are the pioneer.
When I ride to La Cross I will be riding with ONE other rider and we will be using 20S headsets as the 30K is of no advantage.
I truly hope this simplifies this real simple and fixable flaw in the NEW 30K
Your guys call my guys and we’ll do lunch 😉
Richard
RKA
Post by: Patmo on April 20, 2018, 11:19:52 AM
I’m finding this to be a very interesting conversation. I don’t have anything real to add to it, but I’m learning a lot just reading it. I’m looking forward to your seminar at STAR.
Post by: Richardrka on April 20, 2018, 12:12:36 PM
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you very much
R
Post by: Brick on April 20, 2018, 01:14:24 PM
BTW... anyone want to buy a 10S?
Brick
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Post by: R1200GS on April 20, 2018, 06:26:41 PM
Post by: Richardrka on April 20, 2018, 07:46:57 PM
Like I said some of the things Norm said are true. Those things will be fixed.
Customers bring things forward they could never find out in the field. Give them a chance.
The display in our shop has ONE Momentum INC (Not may people have this product to even look at much less test) ONE Momentum Standard, If you do not know, these are SENA's NEW Bluetooth helmets. FOUR 30K's, TWO, 20S's, a 10S. and a 10C, We have FOUR C3P, TWO S2 Schuberth helemts, a Shoei 1100, a Shoei Multitech and 3 inexpensive 3/4 helmets for customer to try the units with.
We are constantly testing product
Like I said some of the things Norm said are true.
BUT he is adding in other scenarios with 15 dollar dongles and SENA parts that are not correct and making the big picture look worse than it is.
Richard ... Do you think if I jump off this building I will die? Would you test that out for me?
1200GS is using a Bluetooth FRS radio connected directly to his headset and is complaining of a noise.
RKA has purchased a Bluetooth FRS radio just so I can see how it connects. That's it, it works. DONE no further testing
I am 100% sure that 1200GS has a noise.
Am I going to go out and test it for issues when I know it is the wrong product to use? NO.
You should be using a SENA SR10 Radio adapter that CUTS the signal when you let go of the PTT and opens it when you push the PTT.
The point is if you are complaining about "this and that" and using products that may cause the issue I am out of the loop.
I do not think you all should judge in this scenario.
Like I said some of the things Norm said are true and I am not disputing that
BUT if 1200GS was my customer and wanted support from me with this issue, I would tell him the correct product SENA SR10 and the I would decline trying to research it.
Once again RKA offers ALL of SENA products and the NEW Momentum Bluetooth helmets using 20S technology
Interested?
Call us.
Richard
RKA
Post by: Richardrka on April 20, 2018, 08:26:56 PM
I think we should get more on a positive take on this.
I think we have heard enough negativity
I think this trip to La Crosse is going to be awesome!!!
I think I am going to have a great meeting with OLD friends and NEW friends.
I think I am going to have fun riding to La Crosse and I have acquired a riding partner so even more fun.
I KNOW I am going to have a BLAST speaking about SENA, and RKA Luggage.
So if you have some positive questions I would rather respond to those.
I know everything ..... Just ask me ::)
R :trink39:
Post by: R1200GS on April 20, 2018, 09:22:52 PM
Number one, RKA is making assumptions that are TOTALLY incorrect. He implies I was the only one with the problem and it was something wrong with my gear. WRONG ANSWER!!!When I got the noise I was in a totally BT setup paired EXACTLY by the 20S user's manual. The GMRS was NOT paired or even turned on. On the day I first heard the noise NOT ONE of the other riders had a GMRS radio connected PERIOD. I was the only one who used the GMRS radio with a BT connection, the others used an SR10 to make the GMRS connection. I was not aware of the noise issue until the other guys all started talking about the "box of rocks" which they all were well aware of. We all got the noise no matter how they were connected. Let me make something PERFECTLY clear again, EVERY pairing connection was EXACTLY by the users manual. Neither Jeff, Norm or myself are new guys to testing a system. This is a common, WELL KNOWN issue among 20s users. It's all over the web. Sena has known about this issue since the early days of the 20s. I have yet see ONE person state that they had the issue fixed. Norm and Jeff were testing the 30K yesterday and the results were pretty much a failure in the Mesh mode. Since there was only two of them I don't believe they were able to test the 30K in a daisy chain to simulate the 20s issue.
My major gripe is that too many people say the 30K is the answer to the 20S noise issue. The 30K needs to prove that in the field.
When you speak of getting more positive about the 30K, I would be absolutely positive if major features worked as advertised. I would also be positive if I saw Sena actually fix the noise issue in a reasonable amount of time for the 20K. The negative reviews that I have found on the 20s noise issue have a consistent theme of "try this or that" which did not work and after a while all responses stop.
Post by: Richardrka on April 20, 2018, 11:07:54 PM
I started this thread and I am going to end it here.
Ride safe.
Post by: Patmo on April 21, 2018, 06:57:18 AM
My only complaint about any of these units is their complexity for non-technical people. I HATE multi-switches! I can never remember if I’m supposed to tap it 2 times, or push and hold 3 times, or tap once and push twice, or do the hokey pokey and turn myself around.
I rather have a separate button to push to pair up, or to connect my phone, or to connect the GPS...or to just have it all do it automatically.
I’ll go back i to my hole now and let y’all battle it out. When spring actually gets here can someone wake me up?
Post by: RichGrab on April 21, 2018, 10:14:14 AM
It baffles my mind that people will buy a new gizmo on it's first run, and then complain to high heaven about it. This whole discussion thread makes me really glad that I didn't buy a Sena 20S (or any model) like I was going to, since it's clearly not something I need. I ride most of the time alone or with 1-3 other riders maybe 5 times a year. I'll just stick to my MP3 player connected with a wire to the speakers in my helmet, if and when I want music. When I need to make a call - I'll stop like I've always done before (since my first days of riding, when you had to find a pay phone.) I don't need my phone, GPS, music, the other guy, the radio, etc. all cackling in my head while I'm trying to relax and destress by riding. Some people seem to enjoy taking the fun out of life.
That's all I've got. Oh yeah, and thanks Richardrka for TRYING to please everyone.
Post by: Patmo on April 21, 2018, 12:51:18 PM
Some of us were just born into the wrong time period, I guess. :(
Post by: R1200GS on April 21, 2018, 04:09:56 PM
Post by: fartymarty on April 21, 2018, 08:27:06 PM
I don't need my phone, GPS, music, the other guy, the radio, etc. all cackling in my head while I'm trying to relax and destress by riding.
Well you know, different strokes for.....
Yeah, when I go out for a quick 2 hour distress ride I don't even turn my 20S on. However longer routes may need some musical or even Books on Tape (mp3) enhancement to get me to the motel 2 states away with out brain numbness. Is the 20s perfect?..no...you get more than 2 bikes on the intercom and it sounds like someone is popping bubble wrap. With a long row of bikes if one gets out of position by more than one bike, then everyone that was behind that bike is cut off from the group until they go back intto position in the chain.One would think that the voice command thing would solve a lot of problems with all the buttons...but no. Sometimes when I try to stretch some neck muscles while riding I accidentally hit one of the buttons with my left shoulder and I get the young lady saying "Say a command" over and over. By the third repetition I'm yelling "CANCEL!" so loud that I think people in nearby cages can hear me. Finally it times out. Thankfully I don't ride much in the cold, but when I do ride below 38 degrees the 20S will just decide to shutoff on it's own at random times.
However, I still like it, and use it for most of my trips. It works great when just two bikes are involved and it's range really impresses me. Forget to charge it last night?.. no problem hook up the USB cord and ride with it powered and charging. I also like the voice feedback of what is going on. My old Nolan helmet BT device had no voice just a Morse code of beeps and dings, half the time I couldn't even tell if it was on. It had fewer buttons but the long list of stuff it could do and the number of times you had to push this button and that one was totally unlearn-able. Battery life?... it might have lasted the day and might not have, but no power cord option, just had to wait and charge it up again when you got to tonight's destination, and no headphone jack or outside mic either. Yep the 20S isn't perfect, but it's a heck of lot better than my last unit, by far!
Post by: Richardrka on April 22, 2018, 10:59:11 AM
These latest posts are the posts I can deal with and enjoy helping riders.
PATMO “My only complaint about any of these units is their complexity for non-technical people. I HATE multi-switches! I can never remember if I’m supposed to tap it 2 times, or push and hold 3 times, or tap once and push twice, or do the hokey pokey and turn myself around”
I would really like to know what buttons you need to push once you turn the unit on. And connect to your device. I can help you with that.
RICHGRAB “It baffles my mind that people will buy a new gizmo on it's first run, and then complain to high heaven about it.”
This is a GREAT comment. And I want to say again, “I never said they where perfect”.
BUT with the ability to do firmware updates most all the issues are fixed, in time.
PATMO “I finally figured out how to get music to play by telling SIRI to play music.”
I have a couple of videos on “Hello SENA” and “HEY SIRI” here are the links
https://youtu.be/qrEVgfatyjM (https://youtu.be/qrEVgfatyjM)
https://youtu.be/ss5GoS1PYhg (https://youtu.be/ss5GoS1PYhg)
“Hello SENA” can do maybe more than you think read pages 34 -35 of your manual.
My favorites are “Speed Dial”, “FM radio” “Stereo Music”
Many folks think “HEY SIRI” is just for phone calls. NOT... you can actually VOICE TEXT a message.
My favorite is “Take me to a McDonalds” .... You CAN start "HEY SIRI" with your gloves on. Ask me.
PATMO “I’ve been able to figure out how to get it to pair with others pretty easily....but only a few times”.
Pairing to another unit should be a one time event. RKA has a video for this also, but I am going to give you those instruction right now.
Hold Jog Button down on both units until the voice prompt says “Intercom Pairing” Then TAP …. (Press and release) ONE of the units Jog button. “Your headsets are paired”
FARTYMARTY “Sometimes when I try to stretch some neck muscles while riding I accidentally hit one of the buttons with my left shoulder and I get the young lady saying "Say a command" over and over.”
Another great comment. I also hate this happening and it’s a little story to tell you how I finally figured it out myself 😉 The side of the unit is defaulted for “TAPPING your fingers” (ON THE BODY IN FRONT OF THE JOG DIAL) on it to start “Voice commands” Go into the “APP’s configuration menu and TURN THAT FUNCTION OFF. "Motion sensor sensitivity" Then you have to press and release the Ambient button to activate.
every new product has issues and I have trusted SENA for over eight years to fix them, they have not been 100%, but they do a good job.
If you need answers I am here to help …. If I do not know the answer I will say so and then go and try and find it.
I would very much like to invite you to visit our "RKA YouTube Page (https://www.youtube.com/user/Richardrka1/videos)" over 160 videos and some kitty videos for good measure.
SENA is not perfect, but it is the very best solution for motorcycle communications
I am looking forward to coming to STAR and meeting everyone.
:trink39:
Post by: Brick on April 22, 2018, 10:22:57 PM
Thanks
Brick
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Post by: fartymarty on April 23, 2018, 03:13:29 AM
Richard I would like to use the ambient sound function. When I’ve pushed that button I don’t understand what it says?? Please inform me how to use that function.
Thanks
Brick
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I'm not Richard, but that won't shut me up.. ::) are you pushing it twice in rapid succession? If not (that is you're only pressing it once) then you are putting it in the "Say a command" mode. Mine says nothing in the ambient sound mode, it just gets loud with the noise around me. Another thing I've noticed, I think the ambient mic is in the USB port, so if you want to hear someone talking over all the other noise that is being amplified, have the little rubber cover at the USB port open (unless it's raining) and turn your head a little to the right so the port (on the left rear) is closer to the person speaking to you. Again two quick presses of the button on the bottom for ambient on, and then when ready, just one for off. (Gosh I hope Richard doesn't say I've got it all wrong, not that it would be something new for me. :-[ )
Now while we wait for Richard to get here with the real answer, a little story.
I'm riding with my buddy and we've had our Sena 20s on bike to bike intercom all morning just jibber jabbing away. We stop for gas and the usual get the key out to open the tank, get the credit card out etc. stops both of us from conversation. Per usual my buddy then rides from the pump over to a parking spot in front of the store and goes in. I've been quiet just waiting for him to return when I realize his visor is open and I can hear what's going on around him. I continue to quietly wait and hear him grunt and sigh struggling with velcro and this zipper and that zipper. Then I hear the flow and realize that he now has the situation firmly in hand when I say "I'm so glad that we are close enough to share these special intimate moments together. :like:" He busts out laughing and according to him scares the hell out of the two other guys in bathroom with him. So let that be a lesson to you, put it in ambient mode when you go into the store.
Well, I thought it was funny.
Richard!..... save me :helpme:,...... I'm dying here.
Post by: Brick on April 23, 2018, 05:31:04 AM
I love it! I’ve been in the store and my buddy is talking to me and the clerk is talking to me at the same time. I answer my riding busy and the clerk looks at me like I’m crazy. So I try to explain that I’m on intercom with that rider out there and he won’t shut up.
Thanks and you are right I only have pushed it once.
Brick
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Post by: Richardrka on April 23, 2018, 10:08:04 AM
Richard I would like to use the ambient sound function. When I’ve pushed that button I don’t understand what it says?? Please inform me how to use that function.
Thanks
Brick
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Hi Brick buy ya a beer when I get there Sat afternoon. ;-)
The ambient button is on the bottom of the 20S, 30K series cradles
ONE tap "press and release" and the voice prompt says "Say a command" Then you say "What can I say?" and the voice prompt will tell you. My favs are "FM radio", Stereo Music"
Also so I would go to the app and turn off "Motion Sensor Sensitivity" so it does not accidentally engage at which time you and say in a normal voice "Cancel"
TWO taps "press and release twice" and nothing is said. BUT you can now hear out side sounds .... Like that cop that just asked you for our drivers license ;-)
R
Post by: Brick on April 23, 2018, 10:10:18 AM
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Post by: bcd on April 23, 2018, 11:13:36 AM
3: The 30K gives you NO ADVANTAGE at all unless you have 3 or more riders it IS for groups of 3 to 16. The MESH NETWORK kicks in when the third, forth, and fifth etc. rider joins, Then the MESH nodes come into play.
Norm, have you ever used it with more than one other person (total of 3 or more)? If so, did it behave any better?
That line sort of sounds to me like "mesh is not intended for use by only 2 participants."
Post by: normkern on April 23, 2018, 11:31:08 AM
At one point relatively early on this thread, Richard wrote:
3: The 30K gives you NO ADVANTAGE at all unless you have 3 or more riders it IS for groups of 3 to 16. The MESH NETWORK kicks in when the third, forth, and fifth etc. rider joins, Then the MESH nodes come into play.
Norm, have you ever used it with more than one other person (total of 3 or more)? If so, did it behave any better?
That line sort of sounds to me like "mesh is not intended for use by only 2 participants."
Maybe THAT's the problem. Jeff and I have not ridden with anyone else who has a 30K. OTOH, Don Moe has- he ridden in a group with about 8. He saud that it connected everyone but the intelligibility problems I reported are there regardless. Most of the time Jeff and I are about 500 ft apart, and mostly in sight of each other. A couple of times mesh private mode worked pretty well, comparable to 2 people in BT mode on the 20S. Maybe I'm stupid, but I expect provate mesh mode to sound as good and have comparable rabge as BT, and it has done so on the 3 or 4 occasions when it worked. Here's a link to the 30K on Amazon. 50% give it 5 stars, the other 50% give it 1 star.
https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Bluetooth-Communication-System-30K-01D/dp/B0773RH38Q/ref=sr_1_16?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1524497194&sr=1-16&keywords=sena+30k
The 30K does not currently work for me and I'm better than average at getting things to work.
Norm
Post by: Richardrka on April 23, 2018, 12:21:41 PM
Very good ..... Now please let it go!
I am the outsider here and disagree with most of what you say in one way or another.
After almost 30 years in the communications business I seem to find it very hard for me to have credibility when you are THE GUY.
The one thing you wrote that HAS to be commented on is
Mesh intercom is incompatible with A2DP devices according to Richard,
This is NOT what I said
I tested TWO 30K's in mesh mode, using a SM10 with mp3 plugged in, NAV VI GPS, iPhone X, using A2DP, Audio Multitasking, intercom
EVERYTHING worked fine, WHEN IN MESH MODE.
I will say this one more time
The 30K is not for everybody
The 30K does have issues at this time.
RKA offers the complete line of SENA including the 20S EVO.
If that's what you decide we got 20S EVO's and we will have them at STAR.
PLEASE LET THIS GO NOW. :-X
We offer a LOT of OTHER products and we are shipping a LOT of very BIG boxes to La Crosse.
I have my route, rooms, gas stops, restaurants loaded into my Nav VI I am READY to have some fun.
But at this point it does not seem fruitful for RKA to even come to STAR.
Richard
Post by: RIDEMYST on April 23, 2018, 12:46:05 PM
A few weeks later 4 of us all using the 30 units used private mode.....a definite improvement over public mode, primarily being sound quality and improved distance. We tested the range and line of sight and were able to communicate (best guess) at least one mile without line of sight.
I think a lot of what I’m reading here is two-fold. One Sena still has bugs with the 30K. Secondly (at least in my case) the buttons serve multiple functions which leads to user error.....I simply needed to read the manual closer!
I recall in my working days I would have a line of CADD techs coming into my office telling how terrible the new software was that we just installed. However after a few weeks the grumbling would stop and a few weeks more it was the “best update ever!”
So be patient 30K users all things shall pass. ;) -JEP-
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Post by: R1200GS on April 23, 2018, 01:02:21 PM
Post by: Richardrka on April 23, 2018, 01:18:12 PM
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Post by: R1200GS on April 23, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
I was one of the riders in Don Moe’s group of 8 riders and the mesh worked just fine and MUCH easier to pair unlike the 20S units in large groups. That said, we did have issues when Bluetooth pairing with a rider using a 20S. It would drop from the group about every 20 minutes and that old familiar “popcorn” sound was ever present. When the 20S unit was not in the group the mesh technology worked pretty much as advertised.A couple questions that I have on the 30K that I have yet to get an answer on. Probably because from what I read the 30K operates in both Mesh and BT and most users really don't understand what all is in play in various situations.
A few weeks later 4 of us all using the 30 units used private mode.....a definite improvement over public mode, primarily being sound quality and improved distance. We tested the range and line of sight and were able to communicate (best guess) at least one mile without line of sight
1. On a 20s the pop corn only comes into play when 3 or more users are paired in a daisy chain.
2. In Mesh on a 30K, it is NOT working like a BT or at least I don't believe it is, so it should not generate the pop corn sound.
3. When a 30K user says they hear pop corn, what is being configured?
a. Does it happen at all when all users are connected as 30K units? (I'm pretty sure the answer is no)
b. When you operate the 30K as BT, do you daisy chain pair the other 30K units and do you get pop corn with 30K units in BT?
c. When you say a 20s is added to the mesh, you get pop corn, correct? (Probably not say this right, just trying to understand a mixed mode)
(1) Is the 30K operating as BT, Mesh or both when this happens?
(2) Does that 20s automatically add itself to the mesh or do you have to configure something in BT to add it?(3) Do you have to go to BT and daisy chain to mix BT and mesh?
I'm a 20s user and Sena has not fixed the pop corn issue with them even they have known about the problem for years. I'm trying to figure out if they actually fixed it in the 30K. I'm also convinced that a key issue to find out what is causing the problem is to see how the 30K handles the problem in the BT mode.
Thanks
Post by: Richardrka on April 23, 2018, 01:33:06 PM
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Post by: normkern on April 23, 2018, 01:38:10 PM
I hope that each and every person who purchases a Sena 30K has excellent results with it!
Norm Kern
Post by: Richardrka on April 23, 2018, 02:03:22 PM
That was not necessary to do.
I would just like to change the subject that we do not agree on.
Lets move on PLEASE!
Richard
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Post by: Patmo on April 23, 2018, 05:01:44 PM
Post by: NinjaBob on April 23, 2018, 11:51:33 PM
Post by: STLTHMSTA on April 25, 2018, 08:48:21 AM
Post by: fartymarty on April 25, 2018, 09:29:57 AM
I bought the smallest Givi tanklok bag for use on my Multistrada but it still makes access to the ignition key a major hassle.
Ahhhah... another person spoiled and coddled by the mighty powers of KIPASS. ;D
Post by: NinjaBob on April 25, 2018, 10:54:26 PM
Yep KIPASS ROCKS! Richard, Do you do custom tank bags? By the way I love the way the left and right bags perfectly fit my asymetrical Multistrada panniers.I bought the smallest Givi tanklok bag for use on my Multistrada but it still makes access to the ignition key a major hassle.
Ahhhah... another person spoiled and coddled by the mighty powers of KIPASS. ;D
Post by: Richardrka on April 26, 2018, 01:43:12 PM
Do you make any tankloc bags or custom tank bags? I bought the smallest Givi tanklok bag for use on my Multistrada but it still makes access to the ignition key a major hassle. The Ducati bag probably works better but I rankle at paying 3X$ for it >:(
No lock rings for use.
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Post by: Richardrka on April 26, 2018, 01:45:23 PM
Yep KIPASS ROCKS! Richard, Do you do custom tank bags? By the way I love the way the left and right bags perfectly fit my asymetrical Multistrada panniers.I bought the smallest Givi tanklok bag for use on my Multistrada but it still makes access to the ignition key a major hassle.
Ahhhah... another person spoiled and coddled by the mighty powers of KIPASS. ;D
ALL our luggage is custom ;-) It FITS ;)
Post by: Paco Bulto on April 26, 2018, 03:47:45 PM
Yep KIPASS ROCKS! Richard, Do you do custom tank bags? By the way I love the way the left and right bags perfectly fit my asymetrical Multistrada panniers.I bought the smallest Givi tanklok bag for use on my Multistrada but it still makes access to the ignition key a major hassle.
Ahhhah... another person spoiled and coddled by the mighty powers of KIPASS. ;D
I think KIPASS probably works like most auto remote key FOB's and if so, you should be aware that if the battery in the FOB goes dead, you aren't going anywhere. My wife's Cadillac CTS has keyless start and recently the battery in the FOB went dead. The FOB has a regular key inserted in it and that enabled her to open the door. However, when she got in the car and tried to start it, the display said "key not detected", so she couldn't start it. I later bought a replacement battery and we now keep a spare battery for the FOB in the car.
Post by: fartymarty on April 26, 2018, 06:58:37 PM
I think KIPASS probably works like most auto remote key FOB's and if so, you should be aware that if the battery in the FOB goes dead, you aren't going anywhere.
Well apologies :-[ to all (especially Richard) for getting this thread off subject with my little joke post.
However, there is a passive chip in the KIPASS FOB as well, so you can still start the bike and go without a FOB battery, it's just a little more like using a key as far as work effort. However, no, you wouldn't be stranded if the KIPASS FOB battery died, unless you couldn't be bothered to read the owner's manual and had no idea how to do the backup procedure or realize that it was even available to you.
I'll bet there is also a similar procedure for a Caddy CTS. http://dashboardsymbols.com/2015/01/general-motors-dead-key-fob-help-part-ii/ (http://dashboardsymbols.com/2015/01/general-motors-dead-key-fob-help-part-ii/)
Assuming there is a backup procedure to start the CTS, be sure you remove the FOB battery before testing it, just to be sure it's a valid test.
Anyway....
Now back to RKA communications and bags.
Post by: NinjaBob on April 26, 2018, 09:59:21 PM
Post by: Paco Bulto on April 27, 2018, 11:58:49 AM
Now to get back on topic, several of my riding friends and I upgraded from Cardo G9's to Cardo Packtalk, which have a mesh system and they work great. :)
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Post by: naustin on May 04, 2018, 06:00:44 PM
I have Zumo595, and was dipping a toe in the Bluetooth game with a Sena 3s, and bought it as a stop gap while I waited (forever) for the Momentum Helmet to be released. Coming from a hardwired Starcom for the prior 10 years, I was shocked to learn that the lower end BT units didn't have "Audio Multitasking." Really? I honestly took it for granted that the intercom would overlay the GPS directions. That should be standard on anything that costs more than $40!
Also the 3S didn't play nice with the Zumo595. Lots of weird behavior with phone calls not working at all. Endless frustration. Even now, I don't know if the issue is the Zumo or the Sena, but Garmin Tech support told me that the Sena 3s was not "on the list" of supported devices. Really? Its a BT headset. Is there really a difference? Whatever, I took the gamble and I have a dual pack of 20S-EVOs on the way. Decided to punt on the Momentum Helmet - can't give up the Modular and internal Sun Visor.
I'm looking forward to having lots of folks who can help me set up the 20s properly if I still have problems with the Zumo 595. (Which will be unfortunate given i'm now about $1,500 into this BT bullshit after 10 years of bliss with the Starcom and an old Zumo 450 -- Those were the days....). Specifically, I'm hoping another member uses the Zumo590/5 as a hub, with an iphone paired to the Zumo rather than the Sena directly to take advantage of all the apps and features that offers and - and can share their experience.
Post by: Brick on May 06, 2018, 11:41:55 AM
A new company in the intercom world trying out what they call Piped Sound! They want a few couples to sign up for testing... free to you of course!
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Post by: RichGrab on May 07, 2018, 10:05:32 AM
Post by: Ride4MS on May 07, 2018, 10:46:45 PM
Post by: normkern on May 08, 2018, 09:36:35 AM
After reading reports that other 30K users were not experiencing some of the problems we were having, Jeff Dolence and I returned our units (they were from the very first production batch) and just received new ones. We are back in testing mode this coming weekend.
Will report on our experience with them.
Norm Kern