Post by: TN2Wheeler on January 18, 2016, 06:54:48 PM
A picture blog of MAT2 is here: http://www.jimrandall.net/MAT2/mat2.htm (http://www.jimrandall.net/MAT2/mat2.htm)
There were LOTS of pictures. I culled a bunch, really. Even so there's probably more than most people want to view, except possibly those who went. Enjoy as much as you can stand
Jim
Post by: donmoe on January 18, 2016, 08:32:26 PM
Thanks very much for your travelogue! Nice pictures.
I get the distict impression that a R1200GS rider would find the route no more difficult than Galin on his 800. Do you concur?
That would certainly make the trip to STAR 2016 different... Now to find someone to team up with...
Don
Post by: HawkGTRider on January 18, 2016, 08:47:50 PM
I might try to incorporate some of this route into my trip to STAR in Vermont this summer before proceeding northward through the eastern Canadian provinces. I want to go to Radisson, Quebec and Goose Bay, Labrador among other places, and they are near the ends of long unpaved roads. In the late 90s, there was still a stretch of about 280 miles northward from Matagami, QE with no services, and it may still be that way. Can you say spare gas tank?
As was noted in some of the pictures, sometimes the better part of valor is to turn around and go a different way.
Post by: TN2Wheeler on January 18, 2016, 09:15:55 PM
Tires are important for this kind of thing. The typical 50/50 tires that come on "adventure" bikes are not up to the task on loose surfaces, particularly on a heavy machine. That's really the catch 22 - tires that work well on pavement suck off pavement and vice-versa so it's always a compromise.
On my DR650, which I consider my adventure bike, I run a full DOT knobbie on the front and a less aggressive DS tire on the rear. I do this because, as DS bikes go, the 650 is heavy (360lbs) and tends to push the front end in loose stuff. A loose rear wheel is fun, a loose front wheel not so much.
Post by: Brick on January 19, 2016, 06:27:04 AM
Jim's point about tires is so true. Except the Tenere' came with 80/20 tires which only hint of an off road ride. I've been running Continental TKC-70's which are listed as 60/40 which to me sound a lot more off road worthy. But I run them because I love how they hold and handle on the paved curvy roads. Also on my local gravel roads they work fine too.
At STAR in Colorado last time we rode some actual dirt and it was fine. However I must say that conditions were very good. Nothing deep, loose or wet so I was fine. No guarantee that the next road will be as good. I just don't bounce as well as I used to.
Last May I attended a Tenere' rally in PA where I rode with a few guys on roads that were less than ideal. I found out that when a 600 lb Tenere' wants to lay down in the mud I can't stop it.
I'll enjoy your DS adventures from behind my computer screen.
Thanks for posting them.
Post by: TN2Wheeler on January 19, 2016, 08:23:53 AM
I live in an area that others come to visit FOR the twisty pavement. Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a bit jaded. When DS/adventure riding I can ride the same area over and over and each time it's a little or, if a few days have past, a lot, different. Surface/traction management is all important. You have to pay attention. I suspect it's similar to (but undoubtedly less) the intensity that track-day junkies enjoy but without the extreme speed and lean angles. We probably should be paying that level of attention when street riding too. But on the street I find I spend a lot more time watching out for other vehicles than just for enjoyment.
And FWIW, I think off pavement riding is a bit safer than the street. You may fall down but it's likely to be at 20 mph rather than 60 and for sure you won't be run over by an idiot on their phone.
But hey, that's just me. I have been a member of MSTA for a couple of decades and I used to love to roll up those miles. You guys enjoy!
Post by: PYG RYDR on January 19, 2016, 08:27:24 AM
Most dualsporters know about the TransAmerica Trail running from eastern TN to the Pacific coast. MSTA member Rick Giddish painstakingly laid out a mostly unpaved easterly adventure stretching from the eastern end of the TAT in Tennessee to the northernmost tip of Maine. He he called it the MAT or Maine Adventure Trial. In 2011 and 2012 a few MSTA'rs (Galen Diehl, Bill Hammomd, George Goad, Jon Durhring and, of course, Rick and I) rode the MAT in 2 parts.
A picture blog of MAT2 is here: http://www.jimrandall.net/MAT2/mat2.htm (http://www.jimrandall.net/MAT2/mat2.htm)
There were LOTS of pictures. I culled a bunch, really. Even so there's probably more than most people want to view, except possibly those who went. Enjoy as much as you can stand
Jim
Jim, Thanks for trip down memory lane! Big Fun Trip!!! Galen
Post by: PYG RYDR on January 19, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
For 2012 I rode my TYGR PYG, but considering both the LTL PYG and BYG PYG for the second trip.
For this riding any dual sport/adventure bike with a knobby front and semi-knobby on rear will work, if you have experience, in my opinion.
If anyone wants to join my ride, let me know.
BTW, I will be stopping at Mamies in Martinsburg, PA for some excellent food! http://mamiescafe.com/ I had the best sandwich-Reuben and donut-maple bacon, ever on a previous trip!!!
Galen
Post by: TN2Wheeler on January 19, 2016, 12:27:05 PM
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BTW, I will be stopping at Mamies in Martinsburg, PA for some excellent food! http://mamiescafe.com/ I had the best sandwich-Reuben and donut-maple bacon, ever on a previous trip!!!
Galen
I didn't do the maple-bacon donut but I absolutely agree - best Reuben ever!
Post by: donmoe on January 19, 2016, 02:07:10 PM
It would have been ridable by a strong rider on a big bike with aggressive tires.Thanks for the advice, Jim. Before leaving Washington for my tour to Alaska last summer on my R1200GSA, I had Heidenau K60 Scout (50/50) tires mounted and had no problems on the several unpaved roads or under repair that were definitely worse than those shown in your photo collection, except perhaps at the end where Galen bailed out. I'll have to consider whether to mount the Scouts again for the MAT. I got surprisingly good mileage despite lots of pavement riding on chipseal as well as asphalt. I also give kudos to the RawHyde training course that I attended in July in Colorado for giving me the confidence and skills to ride that big bike in such conditions.
Tires are important for this kind of thing. The typical 50/50 tires that come on "adventure" bikes are not up to the task on loose surfaces, particularly on a heavy machine. That's really the catch 22 - tires that work well on pavement suck off pavement and vice-versa so it's always a compromise.
Don
Post by: PYG RYDR on January 19, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
It would have been ridable by a strong rider on a big bike with aggressive tires.Thanks for the advice, Jim. Before leaving Washington for my tour to Alaska last summer on my R1200GSA, I had Heidenau K60 Scout (50/50) tires mounted and had no problems on the several unpaved roads or under repair that were definitely worse than those shown in your photo collection, except perhaps at the end where Galen bailed out. I'll have to consider whether to mount the Scouts again for the MAT. I got surprisingly good mileage despite lots of pavement riding on chipseal as well as asphalt. I also give kudos to the RawHyde training course that I attended in July in Colorado for giving me the confidence and skills to ride that big bike in such conditions.
Tires are important for this kind of thing. The typical 50/50 tires that come on "adventure" bikes are not up to the task on loose surfaces, particularly on a heavy machine. That's really the catch 22 - tires that work well on pavement suck off pavement and vice-versa so it's always a compromise.
Don
Don,
I agree about tire adding to confidence. I suggest you consider the Mitas E-07 for your rear tire. I prefer it over the Heidenau. And remember to air down the pressure in gravel/mud/hardpack.
Galen
Post by: donmoe on January 19, 2016, 08:07:54 PM
Don,Thanks for the suggestion, Galen. I checked both Revzilla and Twisted Throttle and neither offers the correct sizes for my GSA, 120/70-19 front and 170/60-17 rear. As I understand it, Heidenau only brought those sizes to the US market in July. However, some guys have run the wrong sizes and have gotten along OK.
I agree about tire adding to confidence. I suggest you consider the Mitas E-07 for your rear tire. I prefer it over the Heidenau. And remember to air down the pressure in gravel/mud/hardpack.
Galen
Part of the RawHyde training was to air down the tires for extensive off-road riding. On my tour I kept them in the mid-30s and got along just fine.
Don
Post by: Bermuda Ron on January 20, 2016, 01:56:34 PM
Post by: donmoe on January 20, 2016, 04:48:11 PM
Don
Post by: TN2Wheeler on January 21, 2016, 07:39:08 AM
Are the GPS route or track files available for download somewhere?We have gps tracks.
Don
Post by: donmoe on January 21, 2016, 08:26:29 PM
Thanks, Jim,Are the GPS route or track files available for download somewhere?We have gps tracks.
Don
Would it be possible to get copies of the tracks by email or download them from this forum?
Don
Post by: Paulie on January 22, 2016, 06:06:37 PM
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There were LOTS of pictures. I culled a bunch, really. Even so there's probably more than most people want to view, except possibly those who went. Enjoy as much as you can stand
Jim
...that was a *terrific* ride report, thanks! I'm interested in yer tracks too.
Post by: TN2Wheeler on January 24, 2016, 11:02:13 AM
http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/the-maine-adventure-trail.1118121/#post-28528160
Hmmm, it seems one needs to be logged into ADVRider to download from the link above. So here are alternate links for those of you without an ADVRider account.
http://www.jimrandall.net/routes/MAT1_track.gpx
http://www.jimrandall.net/routes/MAT2_track.gpx
Post by: donmoe on January 24, 2016, 01:32:44 PM
Don