Post by: VersysRider on December 14, 2014, 08:10:11 PM
http://ridemsta.com/srblog/raffle/
Important Information!
This year, we will not be doing a mass mailing of raffle tickets to all members to save money. You can request tickets either online or by mail here:
Online: http://www.planetReg.com/MSTAraffle2015
By Mail: http://ridemsta.com/mstaforums/downloads/?sa=downfile&id=112
Post by: RIDEMYST on December 15, 2014, 10:59:10 AM
Post by: brider on December 15, 2014, 01:33:34 PM
Post by: DirtFlier on December 15, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
Post by: Ohiomsta on December 15, 2014, 05:01:02 PM
Good breaking even on this one.
Post by: Brick on December 15, 2014, 06:41:21 PM
Post by: Michael Snyder on December 15, 2014, 07:03:28 PM
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Post by: RIDEMYST on December 15, 2014, 07:12:03 PM
Yes this is change and I know this is upsetting to some but personally I think it's worth a try over doing the old way because that's how we've always done it. Either way somebody will get to say I told you so. My 2-cents.-JEP-
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Post by: roginoz on December 15, 2014, 11:01:15 PM
Post by: DirtFlier on December 16, 2014, 07:32:06 AM
Post by: Paco Bulto on December 16, 2014, 10:36:17 AM
Post by: ipnman on December 16, 2014, 05:01:20 PM
To answer some of the questions that been asked. We decided to go with a Sport Touring bike next year(2014 FJR 1300), first time since 2008. Some reasons why:
1. New central location-high attendance 450-500-high number of raffle tickets sold
2. Money saved from not mailing and printing tickets-on average over $2,000(at the old ticket price of $5 we had to sell 400 tickets just to pay for that expense. Now that money can go to raffling a premium sport touring bike.
3. By buying raffle tickets at $8 or $10, you get a chance to win a great bike, and you support your club.
4. Past years numbers:
2012 2013 2014
Bike rev-$14,800 Bike rev-$15,500 Bike rev-$13,500
P&H-$1,850 P&H-$2,052 P&H-$2,200
Net Inc-$3,175 Net Inc-$5,611 Bike rev-$3,500
I hope this gives all members an insight on why the EC went in this direction.
Dennis
Post by: Paco Bulto on December 16, 2014, 07:00:17 PM
The standard model is still a great bike, but the MSRP is $15890 for that model, so you might want to correct the ad. We don't know yet what incentives Yamaha will have starting Jan 1, but right now dealers get an additional $1500 rebate for 2014 FJR1300's.
EDIT: I no longer see MSRP listed.
Nevermind............................
Post by: Brick on December 16, 2014, 08:44:10 PM
Thanks for providing this info. Looks like you put a lot of thought into this.
I agree the numbers look right.
Thanks
Post by: bcd on December 17, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
Post by: ipnman on December 17, 2014, 09:32:55 AM
I don't have that information
Maybe Tim Macy will have it
It does look like raffle tickets are selling at a brisk pace :)
Dennis
Post by: stevegrab on December 17, 2014, 04:31:20 PM
As for the other changes, I think many send in the tickets the get mailed to them, would be interesting to see numbers. I agree that some of those will otherwise not buy tickets (they'd have to see the info in STAReview, a couple issues behind so I don't know if its appeared yet and then take action to order tickets.)
Toss in the higher price and I could see less overall revenue from ticket sales (but still $2000 saved without mailing). Not saying they made the wrong decision, just that I'm not sure it will work out. Will be interesting to hear something about the numbers afterward (hopefully in STAReview for all to see, not just at STAR in a meeting or on the forum/FB).
Post by: Patmo on December 17, 2014, 05:32:55 PM
For me, I have no problem with using the Internet to purchase products and have already gotten mine purchased. I spent what I normally would have. I got less chances than in the past, but I think this will be the norm for most members, so it will all work out fine.
Now...who do I blame when I don't win this darn thing? :). LOL
Post by: Brick on December 18, 2014, 06:07:36 AM
Post by: RIDEMYST on December 18, 2014, 07:28:01 AM
Post by: qman8 on December 18, 2014, 08:07:14 AM
Post by: DirtFlier on December 18, 2014, 12:07:27 PM
Post by: bcd on December 18, 2014, 06:17:56 PM
Post by: brider on December 18, 2014, 08:12:39 PM
But what excuse are we going to have to come up with in Ohio to go to Bill's house in January and eat donuts?
i can show you my new scars!
Post by: brider on December 18, 2014, 08:24:03 PM
Post by: 96viffer on December 19, 2014, 03:36:16 PM
Just because "it's always been done this way" isn't justification enough to not try something different. If it were, we wouldn't have the horseless carriage, electricity, indoor plumbing or the internet and smartphones.
I guess we'll see what happens. Not the end of the world if it doesn't pan out, and as Jim mentioned earlier, at the end of the day someone will be able to say, "I told you so."
- Choon
Post by: Paco Bulto on December 19, 2014, 04:38:39 PM
Just because "it's always been done this way" isn't justification enough to not try something different. If it were, we wouldn't have the horseless carriage, electricity, indoor plumbing or the internet and smartphones.
- Choon
Sounds like logical thinking, Choon. Thanks for that.
Just one question. What's this "indoor plumbing" you speak of? When did they start that?
Post by: Patmo on December 19, 2014, 05:42:11 PM
Just one question. What's this "indoor plumbing" you speak of? When did they start that?
"coming soon, to a town near you"
Post by: touringman on December 19, 2014, 07:20:10 PM
Post by: Patmo on December 19, 2014, 07:56:42 PM
I just consider it as a donation.
Post by: Brick on December 20, 2014, 08:38:15 AM
In my case it's not going to matter how many chances I buy, the chance of me winning is still the same......zero :-*
I just consider it as a donation.
Post by: 96viffer on December 22, 2014, 11:59:16 AM
Choon, I'm no math whiz, as I'll leave that to two of our children that teach that subject. It seems in the example you gave you are talking ratios, rather than chances of winning. If there are 1.5k tickets sold, my chances of winning are 1 in 1,500, and correspondingly, with 3k sold, my chances are 1 in 3k. Therefore selling fewer tickets, yet creating the same revenue, actually enhances the members chances of being a winner, if they buy the customary number of tickets! Syd :)
Syd, you're absolutely right if you bought the same number of tickets as in previous years that your chances of winning will probably double, but you also spent twice as much as you previously did. The assumption that we went on is that most folks will spend about the same amount of money this year as in previous years, so they'll get half as many tickets. And since there'll be fewer tickets overall, the odds of winning will remain roughly the same. In my example, previously my odds were 8 out of 3000. Now my odds are 4 out of 1500. That's the same odds for the same amount of money spent.
Is that a good assumption? We think it's a reasonable one. Of course there'll be those who are totally turned off at having to pay twice as much for a ticket and decide not to buy any, and there'll be some who'll buy the same number of tickets as in previous years, the price notwithstanding.
- Choon
Post by: stevegrab on December 23, 2014, 04:40:57 PM
The chance of winning makes sense too.
Post by: brider on December 23, 2014, 06:22:01 PM
Post by: ipnman on December 24, 2014, 10:20:31 AM
Post by: HawkGTRider on December 24, 2014, 08:13:25 PM
Post by: Patmo on December 24, 2014, 08:21:41 PM
Post by: wvoutpost on January 23, 2015, 11:38:58 AM
Does anyone know if there will be the Aerostich giveaway to a STAR attendee as in past years? If so, is this connected to the raffle bike ticket you purchased, or the STAR wrist band number? I can't recall.
Post by: VersysRider on January 23, 2015, 12:12:13 PM
The power of positive thinking, hey? :)The Aerostich is typically attached to the bike raffle but that has not been confirmed for this year yet.
Post by: Neirbog on January 30, 2015, 02:01:11 PM
In the past you had to be present to win the suit (not the case for the bike).
Lucky for me at Taos, they called several names before they called mine.
I've never had gear that really fit, and custom made to fit by aerostich, I've worn it for several years now and it still isn't even broken in yet.
I'll always buy tickets, even if the odds of winning something again are remote, it's part of the fun of Star.
Post by: ipnman on January 31, 2015, 09:46:17 AM
Well said :)
Dennis
Post by: RIDEMYST on February 01, 2015, 07:38:35 AM
If you don't want the raffle bike...................... it still isn't even broken in yet.I know we have had a member (maybe more members?) win the raffle bike more than once.
I'll always buy tickets, even if the odds of winning something again are remote, it's part of the fun of Star.
That tells me that the raffle is a very small pool and your odds of winning are pretty darn good relative to other raffles! -JEP-
Post by: brider on February 01, 2015, 10:58:57 AM
Post by: Paco Bulto on February 01, 2015, 11:22:25 AM
If you don't want the raffle bike,
If you don't want the raffle bike, but still win it, sell it! Very simple. In 1996 I won a Suzuki Bandit in a AMA raffle. Didn't want it, but sold it easily and took a trip to Australia with the funds from that sale.
If you don't want to go thru the trouble of selling it, I'll do it for you (for a % of course) :-)
Post by: RIDEMYST on March 13, 2015, 08:39:40 AM
The deadline is coming up you know! 8) -JEP-
Post by: HawkGTRider on March 13, 2015, 08:43:13 AM
Has everybody taken advantage of the discounted raffle ticket sales?
The deadline is coming up you know! 8) -JEP-
Jim,
Why'd you have to go and remind everyone of that? My early ticket purchases were looking like pretty good odds for winning this year. :-)
Seriously...if you haven't participated in the club bike raffle so far, you need to do it now.
Post by: ipnman on March 13, 2015, 09:37:49 AM
Has everybody taken advantage of the discounted raffle ticket sales?Great Bike, and you're supporting your club
The deadline is coming up you know! 8) -JEP-
Such a deal!!!
Jim,
Why'd you have to go and remind everyone of that? My early ticket purchases were looking like pretty good odds for winning this year. :-)
Seriously...if you haven't participated in the club bike raffle so far, you need to do it now.
Post by: stevegrab on March 13, 2015, 03:44:28 PM
Has everybody taken advantage of the discounted raffle ticket sales?Thanks for the reminder Jim, life often gets in the way and we forget about these things.
The deadline is coming up you know! 8) -JEP-
Here is the key info
As a special promotion, the MSTA is offering these tickets for $8.00 per ticket through March 31, 2015. ($10 after that)
And more info on the raffle and links to order
http://ridemsta.com/srblog/raffle/ (http://ridemsta.com/srblog/raffle/)
Post by: Neirbog on April 07, 2015, 09:17:08 PM
Gayla
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Post by: ipnman on April 08, 2015, 08:58:53 AM
Check this out, Not bad for a ten dollar bike !!!!I couldn't agree more!! ;D
Gayla
Members please support your club and don't forget besides the bike there will be some other great prizes in the raffle :)
Post by: RIDEMYST on April 08, 2015, 11:38:53 AM
.......... and don't forget besides the bike there will be some other great prizes in the raffle :)
So you are saying there will be other prizes drawn from the bike raffle tickets sold? -JEP-
Post by: ipnman on April 09, 2015, 09:25:28 AM
Yes, besides the "Stitch" we're are working on a few more premium raffle prizes...so buy more raffle tickets
.......... and don't forget besides the bike there will be some other great prizes in the raffle :)
So you are saying there will be other prizes drawn from the bike raffle tickets sold? -JEP-
Post by: Brick on April 09, 2015, 10:05:18 AM
Yes, besides the "Stitch" we're are working on a few more premium raffle prizes...so buy more raffle tickets
.......... and don't forget besides the bike there will be some other great prizes in the raffle :)
So you are saying there will be other prizes drawn from the bike raffle tickets sold? -JEP-
Post by: stevegrab on April 09, 2015, 01:26:19 PM
Well those be prizes that non attendees can win? My understanding from all past drawings from the bike raffle tickets was only the bike could be won without being in attendance, others were not eligible. (And in attendance means present in the room during the banquet when they are announced, not registered for STAR but didn't show up, went home early, or asleep in your room.)Yes, besides the "Stitch" we're are working on a few more premium raffle prizes...so buy more raffle tickets
.......... and don't forget besides the bike there will be some other great prizes in the raffle :)
So you are saying there will be other prizes drawn from the bike raffle tickets sold? -JEP-
Not complaining, just stating the facts as I know them.
Post by: ipnman on April 10, 2015, 09:25:55 AM
To win the bike, you do not need to be at STAR, but you must be a member in good standing. The other raffle prizes you will need to be in attendance at STARWell those be prizes that non attendees can win? My understanding from all past drawings from the bike raffle tickets was only the bike could be won without being in attendance, others were not eligible. (And in attendance means present in the room during the banquet when they are announced, not registered for STAR but didn't show up, went home early, or asleep in your room.)Yes, besides the "Stitch" we're are working on a few more premium raffle prizes...so buy more raffle tickets
.......... and don't forget besides the bike there will be some other great prizes in the raffle :)
So you are saying there will be other prizes drawn from the bike raffle tickets sold? -JEP-
Not complaining, just stating the facts as I know them.
Post by: stevegrab on April 10, 2015, 12:57:21 PM
Post by: 96viffer on July 30, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Well done to all who were involved in pulling it off.
Choon
Post by: aaronengle on July 31, 2015, 06:38:41 AM
Post by: fartymarty on July 31, 2015, 03:11:33 PM
And to see the happy faces of David and Tammy Moss when they won the bike at STAR, I'd say neither one cared that it was a previous year's model.
Choon
They also didn't seem to care that they instantly became the most hated couple at STAR! (Why yes, I am Joe King, why do you ask?)
Well done to all who were involved in pulling it off.DITTO! (https://ridemsta.com/mstaforums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sherv.net%2Fcm%2Femoticons%2Fhand-gestures%2Fclapping-happy-smiley-emoticon.gif&hash=fa2d8e3ebb978362df09add57c0ee008eaa1734d)
Post by: HawkGTRider on July 31, 2015, 04:02:13 PM
I might be wrong, but I don't think there were there any changes between the 2014 and 2015 models. Yeah, it might have been a 2014 model officially, but functionally, it was as new as they come.And to see the happy faces of David and Tammy Moss when they won the bike at STAR, I'd say neither one cared that it was a previous year's model.
Choon
They also didn't seem to care that they instantly became the most hated couple at STAR! (Why yes, I am Joe King, why do you ask?)Well done to all who were involved in pulling it off.DITTO! (https://ridemsta.com/mstaforums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sherv.net%2Fcm%2Femoticons%2Fhand-gestures%2Fclapping-happy-smiley-emoticon.gif&hash=fa2d8e3ebb978362df09add57c0ee008eaa1734d)
Post by: Patmo on July 31, 2015, 08:53:25 PM
Post by: fartymarty on August 02, 2015, 10:05:33 AM
I might be wrong, but I don't think there were there any changes between the 2014 and 2015 models. Yeah, it might have been a 2014 model officially, but functionally, it was as new as they come.
I do believe you are correct, but the 2014 has a much better color IMO.
Post by: RIDEMYST on August 02, 2015, 02:42:36 PM
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Post by: fz1grl on August 02, 2015, 06:21:14 PM
Heck, I won a hat and I liked that......it may have been a 2014 hat however. :(
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You won a set of Butler maps and bag but you had trouble hanging on to them ;D
Post by: RIDEMYST on August 02, 2015, 08:31:16 PM
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Post by: Neirbog on September 01, 2015, 08:35:53 PM
And the results are in -
It was a great money-maker for the club, bringing in a nice profit of over $ 2,600.
Even with the new ticket prices, ticket purchases changes and much nicer high-end motorcycle !!
Thanks to everyone for purchasing - and the EC for all their hard work!
Gayla
Post by: 96viffer on September 03, 2015, 04:17:55 PM