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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2016, 05:21:48 pm »
Suggestion #2. Springfield,MO. For those who don't care for Branson, there are several large hotels in Springfield and it's only about 25 miles away from some of the good roads,(MO125). Sure, you can't leave the hotel parking lot and be in the great riding in 5 minutes but...if you think about it, we really couldn't do that at some of the other STAR locations either.  Personally, I don't mind riding a few miles to get to the curves. Hell, I have to ride 500 miles from my house to get to find any good riding, 25-35 miles from a hotel is not going to bother me.
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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2016, 11:53:58 am »
Ray,
Based on my geography, a map and the description Pat gave from Dennis for the central area, I think Marietta would be too far east. I know they have lots of roads from the many MPFBs I've attended. I don't think they had a large hotel with a banquet room for STAR, recall people talking about a tent somewhere.

The banquet was at a storage building Haas had just east of the Comfort Inn. I only recall tents at Avon. All of the suggested locations "can" work as long as folks don't OCD about every little detail. We all need to be flexible in what we want in a perfect world versus what is available at the chosen locale. Please understand that this is not meant as condemnation, only that there is NO perfect location that will satisfy everyone. I have attended STARs in areas that where not stellar, IMHO, but I did have a great time. Side note, some time ago, BL and I were at a bird watching event when conditions were less than optimal. Folks were complaining that it was cold, over cast, the birds were hunkered down.... An elderly lady looked at them and said, "Having fun is a decision". To me, those are words to live by.

Sorry to get side tracked, but for me, where ever STAR is held, I will do my best to go. And I will have fun there! I really don't compare one STAR against another, there is too much variability for that to make sense for me.

Keep the options flowing, I think this is  a great way for the membership to have a voice in the future locations of the event!

I couldn't agree  more. As a first time STAR attendee, weeks before the event I got a call from a member of the EC welcoming me to my first STAR and inviting me to a first time attendees meeting as well as to make use of the ambassadors on site if I needed anything. They asked if I'd seen the schedule, routes etc. which I had. Call finished with this  EC - "I hope you have fun at STAR." ME - "With the schedule, ride routes, and locale, you'd have to work at not having a good time." What I'm getting at is just what the lady said "Having fun is a decision." One that I choose to make in favor of fun, every time I ride my motorcycle.
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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2016, 03:35:05 pm »
And it is REALLY fun when you win a bike, right Rich?   :)
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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2016, 04:56:30 pm »
So far so good.  Memphis might be hot and sticky in June.  Though MN and WI aren't as cool in the summer as you'd expect, considering the winters they "enjoy"!!  And anything in TX would have to be a spring/fall event.  Anybody look for a national or regional listing of casinos/resorts rather than "just" a convention hotel?  Might find something just the right size in a more rural area... 

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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2016, 05:42:31 pm »
I've been to Memphis on a motorcycle in the summer.  I simply can't imagine why anyone would want to do that. In truth there's really not much good riding west of Nashville. We considered Cookeville in 2011 but the accommodations weren't quite adequate.  Arguably neither was Johnson City but at least the riding was good.

The fact that we are smaller now should make some "lesser" venues viable.  Finding a facility to host 250 is far, far easier than finding one for 500.
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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2016, 06:27:47 pm »
And it is REALLY fun when you win a bike, right Rich?   :)
Oh yeah, and that helps too Pat. (Can you see my smile from KY?)
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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2016, 06:56:24 pm »
Anybody look for a national or regional listing of casinos/resorts rather than "just" a convention hotel?  Might find something just the right size in a more rural area... 

been waiting for someone else to bring this up.....

Last summer my wife and I, along with another couple, spent a night at the Belterra Casino and Resort, located on the Indiana bank of the Ohio River and half way between Cincinnati and Louisville.  If anyone watched the NASCAR race from Kentucky Speedway last night, this is located about 10 miles north of the track and is a very rural area.  The closest towns are Florence and Vevay, Indiana and Warsaw, Ky.  The resort is a 4 Star hotel with 6 different restaurants and a lobby bar.  it has plenty of (nice!) rooms, parking, and meeting rooms.  I can't remember exactly how many rooms it has, but there is also a small motel across the road and hotels in Vevay and by the Speedway if we needed more.  Pretty sure it has a banquet room big enough for our group (9500 sq feet) There is plenty of good riding on both sides of the river in Southern Indiana and Northern Kentucky, along with the Markland Dam crossing about a mile from the resort.  This may be considered too far east to be a "central" STAR, but it should at least be considered a possibility.  I passed along the contact information for the resort to another member that asked me to check it out.


In addition, here's something I hadn't realized....those meeting rooms and the audio/visual equipment is NOT free......these places charge considerable amounts of money for it, and for such things as "free" coffee and refreshments in these rooms.  So if you ever wondered why the cost of attending a STAR is so high, this is part of the answer.  AND....those costs have to be considered when choosing a host hotel.  Some places just cost to much to allow them to be break even, let alone profitable, facilities. 
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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2016, 08:21:22 pm »
I've been to Memphis on a motorcycle in the summer.  I simply can't imagine why anyone would want to do that. In truth there's really not much good riding west of Nashville. We considered Cookeville in 2011 but the accommodations weren't quite adequate.  Arguably neither was Johnson City but at least the riding was good.

The fact that we are smaller now should make some "lesser" venues viable.  Finding a facility to host 250 is far, far easier than finding one for 500.

When I suggested Middle TN, I wasn't thinking of June. Personally I favor dates for STAR based on the locations. The weather in the  mid -south states is usually great in September.  They are all too hot in June unless you have some altitude, which you won't have in any south central location.

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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2016, 11:13:57 am »

In addition, here's something I hadn't realized....those meeting rooms and the audio/visual equipment is NOT free......these places charge considerable amounts of money for it, and for such things as "free" coffee and refreshments in these rooms.  So if you ever wondered why the cost of attending a STAR is so high, this is part of the answer.  AND....those costs have to be considered when choosing a host hotel.  Some places just cost to much to allow them to be break even, let alone profitable, facilities. 


Very good points, we have a conference from work held every year with a similar size group, with both large meetings and small ones, and various breaks with beverages and snacks. The cost of those rooms, the AV eqeuipment and any kind of snack or beverage service can all add up. The cost of a simple box lunch (sandwich, ships, fruit, beverage, cookie) are in the area of $15-20 at some places.

So keeping those additional costs down for those things is a must for the STAR planning group. I know the club doesn't do much with food/beverages during the meetings, and there's a good reason for that.

I recall one STAR many years ago (Charleston WV in 2003 I think) there was a banquet ticket or something like that in the packet, and printed on it was a summary of the costs for the event, with the total being the fee paid for registration. The banquet was a very large portion of that, as most would expect with a good catered meal. Things like sit down or buffet service affect those costs, the types and variety of food etc.
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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2016, 03:18:52 pm »

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When I suggested Middle TN, I wasn't thinking of June. Personally I favor dates for STAR based on the locations. The weather in the  mid -south states is usually great in September.  They are all too hot in June unless you have some altitude, which you won't have in any south central location.
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Personally I would like to see STAR held in May or September. With cooler weather it would open up more options for locations. However I want to say that the last time this was tried was Kerrville TX and attendance was poor.
Maybe Michael, Moose or Brick can shed a little light on non-June STAR's in the past? -JEP-



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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2016, 08:21:33 pm »
Historically STAR has been planned during summer school break. It's an incentive to bring family and keep it more of a family vacation. The current EC should address the desire to have STAR on non traditional dates.


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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2016, 09:40:46 pm »
Historically STAR has been planned during summer school break. It's an incentive to bring family and keep it more of a family vacation. The current EC should address the desire to have STAR on non traditional dates.


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That was probably a great idea when there were young children, but most have children like mine that range from 46 to 37, and they wouldn't be too exited about me taking the grandchildren to a motorcycle rally! Cooler weather and the possibility of off season rates sounds great to me. Bring it on! Syd
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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2016, 06:58:47 am »
Re: date change

For many of us now moving the date to a time where school is in session is no longer a hardship.  But its still not true for all, and if we hope to attract younger people into our ranks we still need consider how a date during normal school dates would effect their potential attendance.  If, by choosing a spring or fall date,  we open up the possibility of moving a STAR event to a few places in the South (most notably Texas), it would probably eliminate having it in the north or in the mountains at the same time of year.  I don't know that there is a perfect time of year that will work best for everyone or every location or will guarantee great weather.  Really can't complain about the weather during this years event in Vermont, but it was pretty hot and humid (even for me) in Arkansas last year.  Keep in mind that the temps in BOTH places were above normal for those locations at the time of year we visited.......100 degrees in Ark. is not normal, nor is 85 degrees in Vermont!  (Or is this the NEW normal?)

BUT, perhaps we should consider changing the dates based on location and see what happens?  We are probably at a point now in our membership demographics where with a full year of lead time most will be able to arrange to have the time off if necessary......and if we move STAR to a spring or fall date a full year in advance we would still have time to move a regional event date to prevent a conflict. 
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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #58 on: July 12, 2016, 08:13:37 am »
Members, Thank You all for the suggestions on where and what time of the year for future STAR's.
I too would like to see a Spring or Fall STAR 2018. That time of the year does open up some locations that wouldn't work in June.
Keep the suggestions coming, I'm doing my homework now for STAR 2018.


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Re: STAR 2018 Location...where to go?
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2016, 10:41:59 am »
Members, Thank You all for the suggestions on where and what time of the year for future STAR's.
I too would like to see a Spring or Fall STAR 2018. That time of the year does open up some locations that wouldn't work in June.
Keep the suggestions coming, I'm doing my homework now for STAR 2018.


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Dennis


Dennis and all, a date change might work but a word of caution. The non-profit I work for had traditionally held their annual conference to coincide with the July 4th holiday. When we started moving the date around several years ago, people were up in arms. I''m just saying, having the "normalized" date in June is what people are used to. Also, I seem to recall there are many regional sanctioned events from late August thru Early October (MPFB, FCR to name a couple) as well as JFF events and squeezing a STAR in there might be tough. Just a thought and I like the discussion.
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