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stevegrab:

--- Quote from: naustin on July 18, 2018, 04:44:41 PM ---Well after all that - I'd just like to pipe in and say that I agree with Pat regarding the fact that the raffle bike needs to be for the whole club, not just STAR attendees.   


Can you do some kind of online raffle system for the tickets, etc?   Make it a year-long fund-raiser and sell tickets non-stop from the day after STAR, until the next STAR when the bike is awarded.   


If its online, you can advertise the raffle in STAReview everytime it comes out, or even send emails on a monthly basis inviting people to click a link an buy another ticket.   


Also, you could include a Poll with 3 options attached to the raffle, and the more tickets you buy, the more votes you get on what the actual bike should be.   That way the majority of ticket buyers have some say in what the prize ends up being.   If you don't like the bike - you should have bought more tickets and thus submitted more votes.


Since I have an FJR as my primary Sport-Tourer, let me be the first to submit a vote for the Honda 250L Rally as a raffle bike next year.  MRSP only $6,200 with ABS.





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A few points
- raffle bike is open to ALL MSTA members, not just those attending STAR
-raffle tickets are sold online, usually starting in January, 6 months or so should be plenty
- tickets used to be mailed to every member, a very large expense that the EC decided was not worth it
- only time tickets are sold to STAR attendees (but not other members) is at the event

I'm really not sure what Pat meant with the statement about making it for all MSTA, and not just STAR. He said
"At this point I can’t imagine getting rid of the bike raffle, but somehow we need to make it an MSTA bike raffle and not just a STAR bike raffle.  We need to engage many more members than just those attending STAR."

As for selling tickets year round, and long before a bike is selected, doesn't sound realistic to me. Maybe some would buy, but will it generate more sales? Then add a complexity of ticket buyers voting on the bike being raffled, sounds like lot of extra work for the existing volunteers.

Not sure why members do or don't buy tickets, maybe we could get some feedback. I forgot to buy them at a discount, then got 5 at registration, but some years I haven't bought any, often when I have little interest in the bike selected.

PS  Sorry we have turned this thread into a discussion of the raffle bike.

naustin:
https://rallyup.com/raffles/

Patmo:

--- Quote from: stevegrab on July 18, 2018, 05:25:54 PM ---

I'm really not sure what Pat meant with the statement about making it for all MSTA, and not just STAR. He said
"At this point I can’t imagine getting rid of the bike raffle, but somehow we need to make it an MSTA bike raffle and not just a STAR bike raffle.  We need to engage many more members than just those attending STAR."

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“Perception is reality”......many of our members seem to perceive that this is a “STAR” raffle. 

Possibly because of how it is presented.  The raffle bike is announced as part of the STAR information.  The TICKETS purchased as part of registering for STAR. Physical tickets sales are only at STAR.  The drawing is at the STAR banquet.

Our pre-STAR sales were extremely dismal this past year.  In fact this was the first year where AT STAR sales exceeded PRE STAR sales.  In 2017 it was almost an even split.  Up until the last two years we have always had much higher pre-star sales than at-star sales, not even close.  We need to get back to that somehow.


It’s OK that this has turned into a raffle bike discussion.....based on the survey results, I would say that the raffle bike process and results are the #1 problem that came out of this year’s STAR.  The location, weather, hotel, roads, routes, etc. all seem to have come off as very popular.  But the raffle process...not so much.


I think that it is great that people are coming up with ideas on how to make it better.  Can’t keep doing the same old things and expecting it to get better on its own.  New ideas are always welcome!

stevegrab:
Pat,

Curious where you get that perception on raffle bike being STAR vs. MSTA, did you hear that from some members. (I read the comments and didn't get that vibe,) Are they newer members, first time attendees? Is this perception related in some way to the change in no longer sending out tickets in the mail?. (How long ago was that change, I'd guess about 5 years.) The raffle bike was always given away at the banquet, tickets were sold at the banquet, and could also be bought when registering. So what's the root cause of this perception it is STAR only? (Really curious if not mailing is a primary factor. I could see those who never attend STAR feeling like its more trouble now to go online and buy them.)

Wasn't there a general raffle bike announcement in STAReview, or by email? Or was it really only tied to announcing STAR, and tickets sold as part of registering for STAR.

Nick (naustin),
As for the rallyup.com site, not sure how that solves all the problems or doesn't still mean work for the volunteers. We already have a way to sell tickets online, that is not the issue. The logistics of selling without picking a bike, having ticket purchase tied to some poll to vote on the bike, etc.

Patmo:
Steve...

If you do a search on either the FB page or in this forum for the words “faffle Bike”, you will find that many times it is referred to as the STAR raffle bike, and that most of the time the discussion of the raffle bike is somehow tied to a STAR discussion. I’ve also heard this term many times in person from members.  The numbers in regards to ticket sales pre-STAR vs. on-site at STAR are also an indication in my mind that more and more members are associating the raffle with STAR.  I am certainly not saying that ALL members think this way.  But it seems to me that more and more members are trending this way.

This is not a yes/no, either/or, always/never question or answer....it’s more along the line of a often or rarely situation and how it is trending.  Seems to me that it used to be rare, but is becoming more common. Don’t even know if it’s a majority, but I’m hearing it enough to have a concern that too many of our members are thinking this way.

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