I'm interested in hearing about the demo Jim. I've been watching Tom Tom for some time, and the Rider has shown steady improvement over the years. The newest is the Rider 5 I believe, unless they have something brand new this year. If you do a little searching, you can find a better price than $399 also. I saw them advertised almost a hundred dollars cheaper than that at one time this past year. It works well with Tyre to Travel, a mapping and routing source similar to Basecamp. I would have bitten long ago, but am afraid I would not be able to convert route maps for the events to work in the Tom Tom. If someone can solve that problem, I'm on board! The curvy route feature would be fun to play with. Make sure that you are buying and pricing the 5, as the older ones aren't nearly as good. Syd